Another Super Allégé

Discussion in 'Browning Auto A-5' started by Biz, Oct 10, 2023.

  1. Biz

    Biz 20g

    Hello everyone,

    I just acquired another Super Allégé (ultra Light) 12 gauge. Following the serial, I believe it is a 1977. It is in very good shape everything seems perfect except the barrel is puzzling me. I think the receiver and probably the wood were made by the Fabrique Nationale since the receiver is stamped FN. However, the marking on the barrel indicate Fabrique Nationale Herstal Made in Japan. May be that Ultra Light was the last run of the Belgium production and they had to get the barrel from Miroku. It is also possible that is not the original barrel because the barrel ring is not perforated as it should be for a light model. I would like to get your opinion.


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  2. Rudolph31

    Rudolph31 .30-06

    Congratulations Biz.

    I’m pretty sure that’s not the original barrel unless they also made Super Lightweights in Japan. However, sometime in the 1970’s they changed from the drilled barrel ring to a “shaped ring”. The metal is thinned out in the center. Also, it’s once again mounted on a wedge.

    On second thought, they may very well have sourced the barrel and many other parts from Miroku and just manufactured the alloy receiver in Herstal.
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2023
  3. Biz

    Biz 20g

    Thanks Rudolph,
    I am glad you mentioned the "changed from a drilled barrel ring to a shaped ring" because that ring is exactly as you mentioned it. I was misled by looking at my Miroku made, Magnum Ducks Unlimited, which has that "thinned out "metal in the center and it is not a ultra light. Just for our common knowledge, I saw a brand new unfired 1990 Ultra Light on an European auction site.
  4. win7stw

    win7stw .30-06

    The barrel ring on my 20 gauge super lightweight has the three holes drilled in it FWIW
  5. Rudolph31

    Rudolph31 .30-06

    When was it made?
  6. win7stw

    win7stw .30-06

    Not sure. I don’t have my book handy[​IMG]
  7. Rudolph31

    Rudolph31 .30-06

    I don’t think we’ll be able to determine much from the special serial numbers they used on these guns. Maybe there’s a date code on the barrel?
  8. win7stw

    win7stw .30-06

  9. win7stw

    win7stw .30-06

  10. Rudolph31

    Rudolph31 .30-06

    I dug up the original conversation and bumped it to the top. It seems I couldn’t decipher that date code two years ago.
  11. Ranger6

    Ranger6 Administrator Staff Member Administrator Global Moderator Forum Moderator

    Is this maybe 1973?
  12. Rudolph31

    Rudolph31 .30-06

    I just don’t know. I’m thinking of asking over on shotgunworld.

    How did you come up with 1973? That year should be an underlined l.
    Last edited: Oct 11, 2023
  13. win7stw

    win7stw .30-06

  14. Ranger6

    Ranger6 Administrator Staff Member Administrator Global Moderator Forum Moderator

    Agree. Maybe engraver got a little happy with it and it all ran together. Looks a little fancier then a letter with line under.
  15. Biz

    Biz 20g

    Rudolph,
    Why would you think that the alloy receiver can’t be made by Miroku?
  16. Rudolph31

    Rudolph31 .30-06

    It’s just a theory. FN experimented with alloy receivers and had them in limited production. When production was transferred to Japan, I doubt they would have bothered with that technology, assuming there’s more to it than just substituting aluminum for steel. Or maybe there were surplus alloy receivers already made. Either way, they’d have to source the rest of the parts from current production, and that was in Japan.

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